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Coen
Yes I do
Just stop Hate Crimes and Hate Speches, as it creates more diviness in the country
Nelisiwe
No I do not
Christianity is Christ based, especially on His word so what the word of God says cannot be regulated, He speaks to His people through the Bible and no addition and subtraction can be made and so no human can regulate Christianity, yes there may be culprits here n there but they should be seperately dealt with.
André
Yes I do
Rasism in reverse
Zodidi
No I do not
It is against the Constitution of south Africa
Joy
No I do not
No, I do NOT support this Bill. Human beings are all made in God's image and should be allowed to have free speech and worship AS LONG as they are not committing any violent and physical harm to their fellow human beings in doing so. True Christians are in this respect the most peaceful of any people's group. While we hold to God's holy standards, we believe in live and let live, in other words, we respect you if you do not worship as we do, so kindly please respect us as well.

Apologies for the late entry. I had a glitch in my system yesterday and could not find this e-mail. Went onto forsa website as well but though they said there was a template to fill in, it was not there.
Hendrik
Not fully
2. I am a concerned South African citizen.

3. I commend the Parliamentary Portfolio Committee on Justice & Correctional Services (“the Committee”) for what I believe to be a bona fide effort to ensure that it meets its commitments under the Declaration adopted at the United Nations World Conference against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance held in Durban.
4. However, I wish to state my objection to the wide definition of “harm” in clause 1, and the creation of the crime of “hate speech”, in clause 4 of the Bill – particularly in light of existing laws that already prohibit “hate speech”.

5. As a person whose fundamental human right to religious freedom is protected by our Constitution, I am concerned that the Bill violates our constitutional rights as religious persons to express our religious beliefs without fear of punishment or persecution. Increasingly, around the world but also in South Africa, Scriptures (particularly on contentious issues concerning life, sexual orientation, gender, etc.) are regarded as “politically incorrect” or “offensive”, allegedly causing emotional and/or psychological harm.

6. I am concerned that the creation of the crime of “hate speech” for saying / distributing something which could possibly be construed as “harmful”, will have certain unintended consequences, namely the criminalisation of good / well-meaning people who will be prosecuted for saying what they sincerely believe (according to the Scriptures) and sent to jail.

Recommendation:

7. In the circumstances, and as there are already sufficient existing laws dealing with “hate speech”, I recommend that the sections relating to “hate speech” be deleted from the Bill altogether. Alternatively, I recommend that “hate speech” be defined exactly as it is defined in section 16(2) of the Constitution - nothing more, nothing less - to ensure that all our constitutional rights are protected, and South Africa does not become a State that censors religious belief and expression.

8. Finally, should the “hate speech” provisions remain part of the Bill, I support the inclusion of a “religious exemption” clause in the Bill that will protect our constitutional right to religious speech – whether from the pulpit, or otherwise.

I trust that you find these submissions useful. Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Yours faithfully,
Romley
Yes I do
We need to stop the hate speeches and death threats committed by groups of people who think they have the right to
Anneke
No I do not
I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS HATE CRIMES AND HATE SPEECH BILL.

It will end up with NO freedom of religion. That is what their agenda and goal is.
Nomazulu
Yes I do
Yes
Sonia
Yes I do
God's Word (Bible) gives us a clear guideline as to how every citizen should live!!
God created all the citizens in the world!!
He commands us to walk in the spirit and not in the flesh!!
Unfortunately, most of people walk in the flesh thinking that they "know better".. till judgment day comes then it will be too late!!!!!
I wish to see a government which is God fearing and which will lock up real criminals and people who threaten other people and practice hate speech (promoting violence, killing, racism, destroying people's properties etc .)
God is a God of love and peace but also of judgment!
One day, He will judge our stewardship and behaviour in this country!
The Hate Speech Bill should be about those criminals who are highjacking the funds of the country, raping students, burning properties, killing farmers and the list goes on!!!
All those criminals are still on the streets!!! Why????
That is a crime!!!!
I pray daily for Godly Governance which will bring these culprits to the books!!!
God will have the last say in this land which belongs to Him!!!
Hermann
No I do not
Die vraag lees dubbelsinnig mense kan 'prevention lees as beveg' wat dan ja sal wees maar eers verstaan moet die wet aan bande gele word NO I DO NOT Herstel
Norman
No I do not
Freedom of speech is the very foundation of democracy. These laws are designed to undermine that freedom and can only result in tyranny. Those who support this bill may not consider that they themselves are threatened by this law. But the only constant that exists is that the world continues to change. To assume that you will always be making the rules is laughable. The day will surely come when you regret supporting this bill.
Julie
No I do not
I agree with the report summary below.

The IRR (Institute of Race Relations) wrote a good report on the first draft of the bill and why it should NOT be passed. Their reasons hold for this second draft and are shortly the following:-

1)There is no need for a bill CRIMINALIZING hate speech: we already have the common law, the Constitution and the Equality Act (PROMOTION OF EQUALITY AND PREVENTION OF UNFAIR DISCRIMINATION ACT 4 OF 2000) to punish transgressors. The Equality Act already goes further than international agreements allow and should actually be RESTRICTED to conform to them. Its scope is too wide and open to abuse.

Human rights organizations are trying to
DECRIMINALIZE hate speech in the few
African countries that have it, due to it’s
Political abuse.

2)The bill can be used as a POLITICAL TOOL by the ANC to imprison white people and anyone criticizing the government. Even if these victims are eventually found not guilty by higher courts they still would have experienced imprisonment and huge legal bills.

The ANC have already used the existing hate speech law to target white people severely in order to focus the public’s attention on ‘white racists’ instead of the ANC’s corruption and theft of all the country’s resources.

An example of this targeting is the following: In January 2016 Penny Sparrow compared black people with ‘cute little monkeys’ on her private Facebook group. The ANC and HRC (Human Rights Commission) prosecuted her and she was found guilty of crimen injuria and fined
R150,000. (The ANC and HRC have since fined several white people R100,000 plus for using the ‘k - word’. [For working class whites this is unaffordable.]) The ANC even instructed the HRC to investigate the DA political party as a ‘breeding ground for white racists’ because Penny was an inactive member!

In contrast to this nothing was done about the 45 violent comments made by black people in response to Penny even though they were reported to the HRC. Velaphi Khumalo, for example, called for whites to be ‘hacked and killed like Jews’ and for their children to be ‘used as garden fertilizer’.

3)The punishments proposed on the Bill are draconian: 3 years for 1st offenders and 5 years thereafter. [Whites have already been given draconian punishments under existing laws for using the ‘k-word’: Vicki Momberg was fined R100,000, jailed without bail, and given a 3 year sentence. Compare that to black murderers who are released on R1000 bail and who then run off to commit more crimes before they are caught again. One such cash-in-transit robber was released on bail 33 times, committing new CIT robberies after every bail release!]

4)The Bill is unconstitutional as it restricts freedom of speech on grounds not allowed by the Constitution (or international treaties). Freedom of speech is the foundation of a democratic society.

Jurgen
No I do not
There are already enough laws in place to combat hate crime and hate speech and even these aren't enforced fairly and to their full purpose. First enforce the laws that are in place before making unnecessary new ones.
Gideon
No I do not
Already a law, why change it to suit the unlawful person /party
Fenando
No I do not
I believe in freedom of speech and that we should speak the truth in love. I do believe that certain people are over-sensitive about particular topics (specifically sexual orientation or race) and take great offense to small comments that were not intended to cause harm. I feel this is probably an over-reaction due to hypersensitivity. I think that certain comments that have been labelled as 'hate speech' were not specifically intended in hatred and have been taken out of proportion. I also have heard a lot of statements made in the media that most definitely are loaded with hatred, but because these have been said by black people this goes unnoticed. There seems to be bias in this law (or the public opinion and interpretation thereof) and if applied it should be applied equally, without bias for or against any specific race.
David
No I do not
There is already such law why change it to suite only some
E.S.
No I do not
Only cause more racial tension not diffuse it.
Zelda
Yes I do
Prevent and combat against hate crimes and hate speech bill.
Freddie
No I do not
Freedom of speech is gone after this
Abraham
No I do not
It can be misused for political purposes
Chris
No I do not

1)There is no need for a bill CRIMINALIZING hate speech: we already have the common law, the Constitution and the Equality Act (PROMOTION OF EQUALITY AND PREVENTION OF UNFAIR DISCRIMINATION ACT 4 OF 2000) to punish transgressors. The Equality Act already goes further than international agreements allow and should actually be RESTRICTED to conform to them. Its scope is too wide and open to abuse.

Human rights organizations are trying to
DECRIMINALIZE hate speech in the few
African countries that have it, due to it’s
Political abuse.

2)The bill can be used as a POLITICAL TOOL by the ANC to imprison white people and anyone criticizing the government. Even if these victims are eventually found not guilty by higher courts they still would have experienced imprisonment and huge legal bills.

The ANC have already used the existing hate speech law to target white people severely in order to focus the public’s attention on ‘white racists’ instead of the ANC’s corruption and theft of all the country’s resources.

An example of this targeting is the following: In January 2016 Penny Sparrow compared black people with ‘cute little monkeys’ on her private Facebook group. The ANC and HRC (Human Rights Commission) prosecuted her and she was found guilty of crimen injuria and fined
R150,000. (The ANC and HRC have since fined several white people R100,000 plus for using the ‘k - word’. [For working class whites this is unaffordable.]) The ANC even instructed the HRC to investigate the DA political party as a ‘breeding ground for white racists’ because Penny was an inactive member!

In contrast to this nothing was done about the 45 violent comments made by black people in response to Penny even though they were reported to the HRC. Velaphi Khumalo, for example, called for whites to be ‘hacked and killed like Jews’ and for their children to be ‘used as garden fertilizer’.

3)The punishments proposed on the Bill are draconian: 3 years for 1st offenders and 5 years thereafter. [Whites have already been given draconian punishments under existing laws for using the ‘k-word’: Vicki Momberg was fined R100,000, jailed without bail, and given a 3 year sentence. Compare that to black murderers who are released on R1000 bail and who then run off to commit more crimes before they are caught again. One such cash-in-transit robber was released on bail 33 times, committing new CIT robberies after every bail release!]

4)The Bill is unconstitutional as it restricts freedom of speech on grounds not allowed by the Constitution (or international treaties). Freedom of speech is the foundation of a democratic society.
Berthold
No I do not
Created by God we have free will and freedom to speak. No man or government should be allowed to take what we a norn with away. What constitutes hate speech is subjective and, therefore, is open to abuse. We have civil court to deal with issues like this. We do not want criminal courts dealing with this.
Lize
No I do not
We are tired
Brandon
No I do not
It's one sided an only backs one race an not all races